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“trans men don’t experience misogyny because they’re men thus cannot experience women’s oppression”
I hate to tell you this but even cis men experience misogyny if they step a toe over the line of what our incredibly sexist society sees as “proper” for a man. You really don’t think that a man with interests or expression the world sees as “female” aren’t treated with violence?
“would you say that of other privileged groups? do you think white people experience racism?”
I mean sometimes they do yeah. I know a white guy with monolid eyes and zero known Asian ancestors and he absolutely experiences anti-Asian racism on a fairly regular basis because people think he’s mixed Asian/white. I know a woman who was told throughout her life that she was Native as an adoptee with no known history or background who experienced incredibly violent amounts of anti-Native racism until she discovered as an adult through DNA test that she is 100% white. I know white people who tan incredibly dark in the summer comparatively that are constantly accused of being mixed race and experiencing racism due to that, usually anti-Mexican racism perpetrated against white people with Greek or Italian ancestors.
Their ability to make it stop by saying “hey, I’m white actually” only goes as far as the person enacting violence on them is willing to believe them. They still have to live with the trauma and physical scars from the altercations. We live in a racist world and thus there will be violent people who force all others to pass a whiteness test and eliminating or harming the rest.
Got an ask that I just block/deleted but it was basically “so you think cis people experience transphobia!?!?!?!?” and uh
If you think cis butches don’t experience both transphobia and misogyny and homophobia for daring to be women who break gender roles while still holding onto their womanhood you’ve sorely misunderstood just how bad butches have it in this world sorry. If you don’t think cis queens experience transphobia and homophobia and misogyny for daring to be men who break gender roles while being loud and proud about it and still holding onto their manhood then you’ve sorely mistaken just how bad they have it in this world as well.
Not to mention all of the cis men who wear dresses and skirts and makeup and nail polish and heels simply because they like them who experience all of these things. All of the cis straight women who simply just exist but something about them doesn’t pass society’s “woman enough” test, leading to them being caught in bathroom bills and sporting rules and being attacked by people who mistake them for being transgender or gay.
Just like how straight people experience homophobia to such a degree that they literally beat their children out of any potential deviance from rigidly upheld gender roles and let politicians make jokes on national TV about how they’d drown their pre-teen kids if they came out as LGBT. Do you really think a straight kid still figuring themselves out hears that and doesn’t internalize that homophobia? Doesn’t rigidly hold themselves to some impossible standard so that no one could ever possibly think they’re gay? You don’t think straight teenage boys who maybe don’t pass some bully’s straightness test are getting the shit kicked out of them for “being gay” when, surprise, they aren’t? You don’t think all those kids being attacked by their priests and coaches and teachers are being told “this wouldn’t have happened if you weren’t gay” when they’re literally not gay? Do you know how many straight kids had close calls at my school that famously expels all gay kids, because someone made up a believable enough rumor? Do you know how many of them still got their shit kicked in even though administration ultimately decided to let them stay?
All bigotry is violent and all bigotry catches people it doesn’t “intend” to and hurts them as well. It doesn’t matter what someone’s label is, or if they even have one. It matters if the person enacting the violence is doing it because their victim didn’t pass whatever “acceptable enough” test they didn’t know they were being subjected to.
Everyone is at risk. Oppression doesn’t care what your label is. Some people are more visible targets than others, and as a result those people are the more common targets. That doesn’t mean no one else experiences it.
My first post to reach 2k without people clowning in the notes I feel so proud
Apologists: It’s not a race thing, their names are just hard to pronounce!
The Entirety of Eastern Europe:
MFW Polish-Americans pronounce their own family names wrong.
I mean I kind of get why you don’t want to spell your last name Cheebillyeffski it just looks goofy but that guy must be rolling in his grave, haunting his great-great-great-grandchildren, and kicking his own astral butt for not taking that one chance in Ellis Island.
as a guy with a Scandinavian last name I’ve definitely had people give up on pronouncing it and just use the first letter
I’ve witnessed more than one anglophone give up and just call my Swedish partner “Mr. Mylastname”, if they knew it. Gendered social conventions will apparently cave before the terror there ;)
(My evidently far less intimidating name, btw? Already colonially manglicized Gaelic .)
The hell of it in that particular case is that I think it’s mainly just an unexpected double-s in the middle throwing people. Looks pretty phonetically straightforward otherwise, at least to this native English speaker.
Also having watched people choke on Scary Eastern European names, I figure the main issue has to do with familiarity and linguistic frame of reference.
That can certainly be aggravated sometimes by how important they feel like it is to even try very hard to get someone’s name right, which is of course where racism and other nastiness can come in.
The difference is definitely how apologetic the speaker is for not getting it right when it comes to European names. When my grocery store made the poor checkers have to thank people by name I spent a lot of time reassuring people my Scottish name or husband’s Dutch name are unfamiliar and hard and not to worry. My father-in-law was born in The Netherlands and even Americanized the pronunciation once he immigrated here because it was so harsh to most American tongues. My father often goes by a shortened Mr. Mac for ease but it is always his choice, not from a refusal of others to find our name worth attempting.
There is often a pause when someone new tackles our names but they do try and the fault is considered their own lack of knowledge (an unreasonable expectation that everyone should know everything) and never our names themselves. Not everyone is given that consideration and the dividing line is most often a race/national origin thing.
Edited to add that @clatterbane really said it best in the tags:
crazy how the popular “transmasc-core” artists are all white boys and the popular “gender envy” people are all white boys and the popular “transmasc names” are all white names and the popular “transmasc haircuts” never include things like poc who keep long hair for culture or have different hair textures and styles and then poc mention how they feel alienated in the community and white transmascs will go “but im not racist” as if the act of not calling us slurs outwardly somehow makes the community accepting and welcoming
A drawing by Arab artist Rafat Alkhatib on Twitter in response to CBS correspondent Charlie D’Agata when he said on air that Ukraine “isn’t a place, with all due respect, like Iraq or Afghanistan, this is a relatively civilized, relatively European — I have to choose those words carefully, too — city, where you wouldn’t expect that or hope that it’s going to happen.”
Despite the fact that Sumer in ancient Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) was literally the first human civilization ever and despite the fact that humanity biggest war by death toll (WWII) happening in Europe just 8 decades ago.
But history has never been a bigot’s strongest suit.
honestly there are like…so many parallels between being transmasc and being mixed race. which is why it feels so dang familiar when people on here talk about how “transmascs have privilege over the rest of us” in the face of very real lived experiences to the contrary.
like some of us who are mixed race are white-passing. some of us are not. but sometimes it depends on the culture we’re in, sometimes it’s literally just a matter of who we’re perceived by and whether they know enough to identify that we’re different. I remember stretches of my existence where I assumed everyone saw me as white and then suddenly a strange white man comes up to me alone in the park and says “I’ve always found asian women attractive” and I’m like. oh. right. I will always be the Other to some people.
but then you date an asian person who suddenly tells you “you’re white, 100%, white girl, nobody in here sees you as asian” and, sure, not that day, not in san francisco in a vietnamese restaurant. but there’s a specific, unique experience of walking that tightrope every single day, wondering how you’ll be perceived then, in that room, by that person who has more power than you.
I feel like so much of my life I have dealt with being Othered by white people and simultaneously regarded with suspicion in asian spaces as an outsider, that this whole discourse around “you transmascs can fit in with cis men, you dont need the LGBT community and it doesn’t need you” reeks of such bullshit from people whose identities have always neatly fit into a particular box.
and even guys who pass 100% of the time, wherever they are? even completely white passing mixed race people have different lived experiences that continue their whole lives. experiences of being raised by a parent from a minority race/culture, of being with extended family, of observing traditions that are not observed by the majority, of speaking a different language–that to simply defer to their outward appearance is a denial of their familial and personal history.
like. I am absolutely tired of people who are not party to a particular experience deciding that everything about that experience is fine and not as bad and therefore not even deserving of the acknowledgment of its existence. white LGBTs who are spouting this bullshit, your words are very familiar to me and now I know how you’d feel about my race as well. 🙃
“men don’t need to be afraid walking around at night”
Unless they’re black
“men make more than women in jobs”
Black men make less than white women on average
“men don’t get followed around by people who mean them harm”
Black men are heavily policed and regularly jumped and killed for just walking down the street
“no one tells a man what he can and cannot do with his own body”
Black men are repeatedly assaulted and have their hair forcibly shaved or cut for wearing their hair natural and in culturally important styles. Black men who choose body modifications like tattoos or piercings are branded as thugs. Black men who have children and black men who don’t have children are both regarded as players, hounddogs, absent fathers, and baby daddies, as if the logical answer is that no one’s first choice of partner and father of their children would ever be a black man.
“no one judges a man’s worth based on his clothes”/“a man isn’t ever in danger no matter what he wears”
Black men are required to look presentable and professional according to eurocentric standards, push themselves into clothes not made for their bodies, and be highly uncomfortable in their daily lives or else risk ‘fitting the profile’ or 'matching the description’ and getting detained by police AT BEST for the crime of existing in public. Black men wearing comfortable clothes are seen as sloppy, thugs, gangsters, street rats, hood and ghetto.
“no man fears rape”
The rape and sexual assault of black men ties directly to black buck stereotypes and black fetishization to the point where liking a black person or having your dating pool be open to black people is treated like a sexuality much like being gay. People are both threatened by and aroused by our bodies and that leads them to perform extreme acts of violence on us, including rape, SA, coercion, trafficking, and more. Much like how “tranny” and “lesbian” is a porn category, so is Big Black Cock. Sometimes with us featured as the rapist. Sometimes with us featured as the victim. Almost never with us featured as intimate, passionate, loving, tender. Black men are either to be feared and reviled, or to be broken and forced to submit. Direct ties to slavery with white people still getting off to our suffering.
Just say you don’t care as much about black people’s suffering and go, jesus.
I have privilege because I sometimes pass as a man? Try walking in my shoes for a while. Turns out being a black man vs being a black woman isn’t always so different.
I do think it’s really interesting that I have a lot of black butches and trans mascs on this post verifying in their tags that yes they’ve lived both as 'black woman’ and as 'black man’ and 'black man’ is really not the improvement it’s advertised to be and in the mean time I have also a bunch of nonblack people and especially white europeans saying this post is stupid and no one who agrees knows anything about what it’s like to be a black woman and I’m just wondering out of the two options who do you think is more knowledgeable about what black people go through? 🤔
My nephew was 6 years old when his mother sat him down and explained to him very plainly what happens to black boys and black men who are out at night.
Both of my parents worked in education. My white (passing) mother was a special ed teacher in a middle school. My father was her district’s administrator. She was paid more than him. Significantly. They both have Master’s Degrees.
My nephew was 13 when Trayvon Martin was killed. His mother asked him to please make sure he came home before the streetlights came on, and if he couldn’t make it to not wear a hoodie and certainly don’t wear it up. No matter how cold.
My nephew and my father were both pinned down and had their afros shaved/ruined by teachers, people they should have been able to trust. My nephew, my cousins, and more than one of my uncles have had the same happen to their locs. When my mother became pregnant very early in my parents’ marriage, no one believed that she actually *wanted* to marry my dad but that she’d accidentally become pregnant and married him to not be ashamed. When my parents adopted my sister who is much darker skinned than my other sister or myself, the assumption was that she was a child from one of dad’s previous marriages (he’s only ever been married to one woman: my mom) and that my sister was only there because of a custody battle. The first time my dad came to pick me up from school, the office refused to let him in the building and called the police on him for trying to abduct me, because everyone knew my mom was white and the logical conclusion of a black man picking up his black/mixed kid from school was that he was a kidnapper and not that he was my fucking father.
My father arrived home late one night after flying in from Japan and was understandably in comfortable clothes after being exclusively in suits in Japan in the middle of summer for 6 months. Our neighbor saw him pull into the driveway, let himself in the back door… and called the police saying a black man in a hoodie was breaking into our house. We’d lived there at that point for more than a decade. My nephew and I have been followed around in stores for wearing beaters and basketball shorts in the middle of summer. My cousin was harassed by cops while sitting at the bus stop because he had his hood up and was listening to music on his ipod. My uncle was cornered by airport security and ended up missing his flight because someone gave a 'tip’ that he 'looked suspicious’ in his jeans and a t-shirt.
Every single one of my older black relatives, male and female, have been raped. Every single one. Some of the younger ones too.
This is not a 'what if’ post. This is not a 'higher discussion of systemic violence’ post. This is a 'stop erasing the experiences of black men because you think there is no way on earth a black man can suffer outside of [just racism]’ post.
Once again black people are always the authorities of their own experiences and I think anyone who questions this post should read what multiple MULTIPLE black butches and trans mascs have been saying that their lives did not gain privilege and actually frequently became dangerous in ways they didn’t expect when they started being read as black men.
A frequent thing I say to my nonblack friends is 'I’m too black for that’. My black friends don’t even ask me to do these things. My nonblack friends don’t get why my race and perceived identity affects what I’m willing to do in public.
Transcript: It reminds me of the “bike to work” movement. That is also portrayed as white, but in my city more than half of the people on bike are not white. I was once talking to a white activist who was photographic “bike commuters” and had only pictures of white people with the occasional “Black professional” I asked her why she didn’t photograph the delivery people, construction workers etc… id. the Black and [Latine] and Asian people… and she mumbled something about trying to “improve the image of biking” then admitted that she didn’t really see them as part of the “green movement” since they “probably have no choice” - I was so mad I wanted to quit working on the project she and I were collaborating on. So, in the same way when people in a poor neighborhood grow food in their yards… it’s just being poor- but when white people do it they are saving the earth or something.“ -comment left on the Racialious blog post "Sustainable Food and Privilege: Why is Green always White (and Male and Upper-Class) (via meggannn). END TS
the same thing when you look at the ~tiny house movement~ versus, say, people living in trailers, or even just renting in apartments or sublet housing
Hey remember when US and Russia was all like “We’re the best!!! We’ve won the space race!!!!” But India sent a kick-ass space probe to Mars and the whole mission was fuel efficient, costed less and a roaring success in the first try and then they were like “…..wait no that can’t be true” and still have the audacity to call us “underdeveloped” or only view us as a ‘third world country’? :)
For anyone who needs more info, the probe was called Mangalyaan (which literally means space probe vehicle) or Mars Orbiter Mission (MOM) and you can also get more information here and here
Remember when NYT mocked India for this very thing and an TOI (a major indian newspaper) responded with this? :)
They were being racist asf and we were till respectful literally fuck you if you think ‘third world counties’ can’t be better than you
white people can and should reblog this
and shout out to the women engineers integral to the launch
“Indian staff from the Indian Space Research Organisation celebrate after the Mars Orbiter Spacecraft entered Mars’s orbit.
On November 5, 2013, a rocket launched toward Mars. It was India’s first interplanetary mission, Mangalyaan, and a terrific gamble. Only 40 percent of missions sent to Mars by major space organizations—NASA, Russia’s, Japan’s, or China’s—had ever been a success. No space organization had succeeded on its first attempt. What’s more, India’s space organization, ISRO, had very little funding: while NASA’s Mars probe, Maven, cost $651 million, the budget for this mission was $74 million.
This was not the only success of the mission. An image of the scientists celebrating in the mission control room went viral. Girls in India and beyond gained new heroes: the kind that wear sarees and tie flowers in their hair, and send rockets into space.”
some of you are not ready for this discussion but. the fact that the animal/anthro/beast races in most fantasy settings are almost always coded as poc is. kinda racist. and its particularly egregious when the coding attributes aspects of black and brown ppl to said beast races, like we dont already have enough of a history of being exoticized, dehumanized, and compared to animals by whites. im tired of seeing white ppl make bank on this like coding a race of creature-people as black or brown is such a kool new unthought of idea. man i just want white ppl to stop giving beast races black traits and hairstyles, acknowledge thats fundamentally racist and maybe try taking another approach with their own wordbuilding and stuff. idk what to tell yall expect that you should be able to create settings in which beast races arent blatant and dehumanizing references to poc, and dont have to encompass racist caricatures and stereotypes that exist in the real world.
i think, in many instances, white creators sometimes do this in a misguided attempt to make it “different’ or w/e…as if believe that making races with specific cultural coding and references from poc and nonwhite cultures into creatures instead of actual humanoids somehow subtracts from that fact? like “look these arent actually black or brown people theyre cats/lizard/etc people!” when really, even if it may not be the intent, due to the fact that black and brown traits are being heavily ascribed to said beast races in the lore and wordbuilding, what you get is just another instance of white people dehumanizing and misrepresenting peoples and cultures that they do not fully understand. intent doesnt necessarily justify or excuse results.
ykw. if it were just like. one or a rare few instances of this happening. i wouldnt really be speaking on this? but its a fairly consistent issue across the board. when there are beast races in fantasy settings, theyre almost always accompanied by lore containing copious and blatant references to cultures of colour. i understand that its an uncomfortable truth that many ppl have avoided discussing, but if youre a white creator and you feel uncomfortable or called out for this, then just think of how black, brown, and/or indigenous ppl feel when we see our cultures referenced blatantly in fantasy, reduced to creatures and/or problematic caricatures, time and time again.
if your fantasy wordbuilding cannot exist without dehumanizing black/brown/indigenous people (and while this happens with a myriad of different people and cultures. im merely speaking for my own here), then perhaps sit down and ask yourself why that is.
the khajiit in elder scrolls are coded as a bunch of things, including romani, and the khajiit are often regarded as unscrupulous, being homeless/migrant, thieves, and drug addicts, etc. – stereotypes present in anti-romani racism.
the dunmer literally use islamic art and imagery from MENA/SWANA cultures, as well as east asian, and they land theyre from is called the barbaric and alien east.” ive literally heard ppl say shit like this about the region im from. its not a fucking coincidence or a “reach” to see those statements paired with a race of ppl who deadass use words borrowed from akkadian, utilize Islamic imagery in their architecture, their culture, and even religious phrases adapted from muslim sayings.
the bosmer are coded as a lot of things, including indigenous, and theyre often reduced to being feral and animal-like. which. is a sentiment present in a lot of anti-indigenous racism.
the qunari in dragon age are also coded as black and brown MENA/SWANA ppl, and theyre also depicted with the orientalist stereotype of “evil barbaric easterners.”
the haradrim in tolkien’s work are literally described as black and brown people who come from a desert; theyre literally said to be evil, “lesser” dark-skinned people who are regularly put in contrast to the “good” men of the west, who are more often than not described to look like white people with fair skin and light hair. funny how that works.
and i could go on forever. there are many, many more examples of this in different fandoms/settings, and i’d encourage other people of colour to add on with examples i’ve missed.
while i will grant you that some cases are obviously not as egregious as others, and that obviously not all fantasy writers are like. rabidly antiblack or likely to physically attack poc in the street or w/e, the replication and misrepresentation of nonwhite cultures in fantasy settings that render them as animal-people paired with racist stereotypes that just get regurgitated in their lore is shitty and needs to be addressed.
also, if there were more animal/anthro people in fantasy who were culturally and racially coded after white folks? itd be slightly less of an issue, although im personally not going to dismiss white writers making obvious antiblack references in their work. i gotta wonder why people want to see and defend racist caricatures in their media so bad.