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it’s exhausting to keep seeing people talk about marvel’s hydra problem as an issue of them just being tone-deaf or obtuse or clueless, this “boys will be boys” mild eyeroll attitude to the entire conversation that so vastly downplays just how fucking evil these people are
do you honestly think that the CEO of marvel who is an outspoken trump supporter and pumped millions of money into the trump campaign doesn’t know what he’s doing by pushing the nazi faction into the limelight of his comics?
turning captain america, the literal symbol for american nationalism and patriotism, into a supporter of hydra and therefore a nazi, is not a writing accident. it is deliberate.
their latest little ~fuck up~ of asking comic stores to re-brand their stores and work uniforms with hydra logos, is not just a PR gaffe. it’s deliberate.
their continuous campaign to make nazis into a faction readers are supposed to find exciting, supposed to align themselves with, supposed to wear on their shirts like a uniform, is not an accident in the kind of political climate we’re in right now. it’s deliberate.
i don’t care that hydra is fictional, this isn’t like the empire in star wars or w/e where it’s just about some sort of vague fascism aesthetic. hydra were always explicitly n a z i s, since their very conception, have always been called nazis by marvel, have always stood for nazi values. and now marvel is trying to make them cool again. and it’s not a fucking accident.
stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. stop talking about this like it’s something that can be fixed with civil conversation and a stern finger wagging.
nazis and anyone who defends them don’t deserve that much consideration from anybody. just, yknow, a friendly psa from your neighbourhood romani jew.
Hello all; it’s Tyler, a.k.a. the weekly author of The Pull List here at the Ace of Geeks. I’m here to talk to you about Marvel Comics’ Secret Empire crossover
event for the first and final time. Speaking with the full support of
the editor-in-chief, I am here to say that the Ace of Geeks will not be
covering Secret Empire except as my regular comics subscriptions necessitate mentioning it.
CN: From this point on, this article mentions Nazis and the Holocaust
fairly liberally, including quotes from various people engaged in the
debate about Secret Empire online, and also mentions the current political situation in the United States.
Spoiler Warning: Spoilers for the Secret Empire event follow and are not marked.
For those not in the know, first of all, congratulations. Secret Empire is the latest crossover event to come out of Marvel, hot on the heels of Inhumans vs. X-Men,
which as my reviews of the miniseries may tell you was, I thought,
fairly well-executed. Marvel, apparently feeling the need to maintain
some sort of cosmic balance, then decided to do the Secret Empire event. The event began in 2016 in the first issue of Captain America: Steve Rogers, with
the horrifying and offensive decision to reveal that Captain America is
a secret HYDRA agent and has been since his glory days in World War II —
in other words, the greatest American hero Marvel has to offer us is a
Nazi collaborator and spy. This was the launching point for a much
larger event, which from what we know right now appears to be a) a
long-con plot by HYDRA to allow them to ensnare and eliminate Earth’s
heroes and take over, and b) utterly tone-deaf.
The fan reaction to the reveal about Steve Rogers was strident and
clear: We do not like this storyline. Unfortunately, Marvel’s reaction
to that reaction was…not great. Check out this article from The Mary Sue for
comments from both sides, but bottom line: fans were deeply, viscerally
upset, and Marvel treated that as “a good thing” because it meant
people were having a reaction to their stories. (What is this, the WWE? -Ed)
To indulge in a baseball metaphor: Strike One.
Then there’s the response by Nick Spencer, the writer of the infamous Captain America: Steve Rogers issue. Basically, Spencer doubled down. This Entertainment Weekly article summarizes it well. In it, Spencer insists that this is “not mind control,” that this “really is Steve Rogers.” By Issue #2 of Steve Rogers this
was clearly not true (it turns out Kobik, with influence from the Red
Skull, rewrote Steve’s memories), but the fact Spencer thought it was OK
to pretend that it was true for even a second is insulting to the fans.
(He also explicitly links the Red Skull with Nazism, just in case we
want to pretend that this does not make Cap a Nazi.) In addition to this
tone-deaf response, Spencer has also gotten rather caustically
defensive on Twitter, in a series of tweets that I will not attempt to
dig up (many are nearly a year old) but which have gotten a lot of
attention in social media circles. For the record, this is the same guy
who penned the Captain America: Sam Wilson storyline where that Cap fights villains called the Social Justice Warriors and then apologizes if he ever sounded like them, so Spencer’s understanding of what impact his words have is iffy.
Marvel may want to pretend otherwise, but HYDRA are inextricably
affiliated with the Nazis; they started out as a Nazi organization, and
while Marvel has made some moves to divorce the two over time
(especially in the MCU and its affiliated TV shows [ETA: A friend pointed out that on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the literal and symbolic connection between Nazis and HYDRA has been getting deeper, not more disparate, so maybe not so much…]),
it’s hard (if not impossible) to remove the cultural memory of a
connection to the perpetrators of the Holocaust. And as for Captain
America…the most famous picture of Cap is quite literally him punching a
Nazi in the face, and then there’s the little matter of him being the creation of two Jewish men.
Making him a secret Nazi is a betrayal of everything the character
stands for, not just for comics fans but for his creators and for United
States culture as we know it.
We are living in a very dangerous, very scary time because of what is
happening in the United States. I won’t attempt to get exhaustive about
it for the mental health of myself and our readers, but bottom line:
when white supremacists are coming out of the woodwork, hate crimes are
on the rise, and racism and nativist fear-mongering are becoming
dangerously normalized, making Cap a secret Nazi borders on
irresponsible. Treating it like any other “hero turns evil for a while”
storyline is recklessly blind to the implications of the story, and
suggesting a Holocaust survivor like Magneto is a Nazi spy and asking
retailers to dress up like a white supremacist group only hammer home
the idea that Marvel has no clue about the impact Secret Empire
is having. This is not just another fun storyline that shakes up the
status quo and “freshens up” comic book continuity; this is actively
harmful and not fun. And sure, this might be a “telling reflection of
our times,” but as the Mary Sue article above mentions, shouldn’t superheroes be bigger than reality, above these kinds of failings? And then there were those toxic, later-clarified statements made by Marvel editor David Gabriel about diverse books being responsible for their sales slump…
The Pull List I put out every week is, quite literally, my pull list.
I am paying for all the comics I read; with rare exceptions (noted when
I review them, as with Kingsway West), the Ace of Geeks is not getting review copies. If I review Secret Empire,
it means I am giving Marvel money for it, which means I am implying,
even if I roast the stories, that pulling tasteless stunts like this
storyline is going to drive sales. Secret Empire is offensive
to every sensibility I have, and lacks basic decency. For that reason,
and all the reasons given above, I will not be subscribing to Secret Empire,
and will not discuss the event unless any comics I already read tie
into it for an issue or two. I am also seriously reconsidering every
single Marvel subscription I have (which is admittedly most of my weekly
pull); I am trying to focus my subscriptions on their more diverse,
more socially conscious books (America, Champions, Ms. Marvel, Ultimates2,
etc.), and ditching as many series as I can to instead pick up indie
works. It means that the Ace of Geeks will miss out on covering a major
Marvel event, but I’d rather have a gap in our coverage and retain our
ethics than the opposite any day of the week.
Thank you for reading. The Pull List will be back next week.
First of all, people are saying things like that Hydra is evil, but it doesn’t have political ideology or anything. It isn’t Nazis, it just allied with them in WW2. And I just feel the need to point out that if you allied with the Nazies at any point, you A) have a political ideology, and B) its defiantly pro-Nazi.
But honestly, I want to deal with the second one, which is people insisting that Magneto joined him because of reality warping and in-universe stuff.
And ok, first of all, their is no justification in-universe that would make a Jewish character throwing their lot in with Nazis and pro-Nazi groups that aren’t technically Nazis ok. But I want to talk about the problem with having Magneto, specifically, do it.
Magneto’s only goal for the last fifty years has been mutant success. This has been his goal as a direct result of his experiences as a victim of the Holocaust and losing his people to that genocide.
Steve Rogers has an absolutely TERRIBLE history with mutants, particularly recently. He’s all, I’m going to attack your sovereign nation to get you messiah, and then blame the mutants when it becomes a fight. After that, because it was pointed out the Avengers are kinda shitty where Mutants are concerned, instead of doing something to help, he found a blonde haired, blue eyed white dude, assigned him the role of new spokesperson for the mutant community, and let him say super dumb shit at press conferences.
When a giant cloud started killing all the mutants, again, instead of doing something, Cap just put an Inhuman on the United Squad (which sounds like a name given by an over eager college diversity group) even while the Unity Squad leader was actively dying of M-pox.
Magneto has no reason, in-universe, to want to work with this guy, who’s constantly screwed over Magneto’s people, even before he was cosmically retconned into a Nazi.
And if you cosmically retcon Magneto to being a Nazi all along, what is his motivation. He’d have to no longer care about Mutants or his own history. And then he’s just a guy, he isn’t that character with fifty years of development at all. He’s essentially a guy you have to remake from scratch. A totally original character.
Which would mean he wasn’t choose (for the variant cover or for the story at large, we’ll see) because its in character or going to open up interesting story possibilities. Because in doing it, you basically strip everything from the character.
Instead he was chosen because someone at Marvel knew it would be shocking to make a Holocaust survivor join the group that’s always been closely associated with Nazis.
I really think you need to brush up on your mythology here. Do you even know what a hydra looks like?
This is a hydra. Its defining features are its one tail and many, many heads.
So what the fuck is this supposed to be?
That, Mr Schmidt, is a fucking octopus. Its defining features are its ONE head and many LEGS.
You literally could not have gotten this more wrong.
It’s very important to me that somewhere in hydra’s evil marketing department is a harried evil graphic designer who has been trying so hard to bring this up, okay, like, listen, the first — the first presentation she had an actual hydra, it was pretty cool, it was like an evil skull hydra, it had seven evil skulls, but they were like “that’s too many heads, it makes it seem like no one is in charge,” and she said, oh, but that’s what a hydra is, it has — and they said more loudly, “could you give it more tentacles, like it’s very insidious,” and she said, that’s — yes, but that’ll be — i mean, that’s definitely, um, but what you’re asking for is not a, um, a hydra — trying to catch the project manager’s eye like BACK ME UP, I KNOW YOU TOOK CLASSICS, but the project manager was pretending to look at something on his phone, and all the execs were staring at her like is she ARGUING with us?, and like, they’re supervillains, so she said, okay, i….i’ll, sorry, i — i’ll give you something with tentacles.
A hydra is a snake right? So basically Nick fury is trying to get hydra off the helicarrier right? Does that mean he’s trying to get those motherfucking snakes off his motherfucking plane?
Well Agent Hand is obviously Hydra. I really want to trust Agent May.
Fury is dead: Well now we know where we are in the timeline.
The guy with Simmons better not be Hydra, because if he hurts her, I will be pissed.
Yeah, trusting May at this point.
Yay we can trust the guy with Simmons! (I should learn his name) Agent Hand is still Hydra until proven otherwise.
Yeah that test is crap, she’s still Hydra.
WTF?! The funny guy? The funny guy is Hydra! Well, fuck.
FitzSimmons hug: <3
I still don’t trust Hand. A little worried about Ward going with her.
(Ward shoots Hand and the other agents) WHAT THE EVER LOVING FUCK DID I JUST WATCH? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON EVEN? WHAT HAPPENS NOW? YOU CAN’T END IT LIKE THAT, GODDAMIT!
The bastards. I am left wondering if Ward is under some kind of mind control.