natalieironside

Tbh I feel like we'd be better served by abandoning the term "redemption arc" and replacing it with "face turn"

vaspider

Yes!!!

"Face turn" doesn't imply the person is saved or redeemed, and doesn't imply an end that you get to where redemption is all done forever.

All it talks about is which direction a character is headed.

Perfect. Yes. Good. Love it.

anais-ninja-bitch

i have been saying this! it's also a more fun phase.