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  3. hadeantaiga said: @idrisstorey As you said, so I will say: “Cool, good for you”. For me, “gender abolition” is too poisoned for me to ever get on board with it. I have experienced too much harm from people in the name of “gender abolition” and “gender criticalness”. I have been called too many slurs by people using those phrases. So for me, and for many other trans folks, the phrase “gender abolition” is destroyed and gone.
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  13. idrisynstorey said: (note that “class abolition” doesn’t mean “exterminate the poor” lol. likewise gender abolition doesn’t mean exterminate, cut up, suppress, erase, or otherwise harm trans people)
  14. idrisynstorey said: - from Laboria Cuboniks, Spring 2015 issue
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  16. idrisynstorey said: Ultimately, every emancipatory abolitionism must incline towards the horizon of class abolitionism, since it is in capitalism where we encounter oppression in its transparent, denaturalized form: you’re not exploited or oppressed because you are a wage laborer or poor; you are a laborer or poor because you are exploited.”
  17. idrisynstorey said: “Let a hundred sexes bloom! ‘Gender abolitionism’ is shorthand for the ambition to construct a society where traits currently assembled under the rubric of gender no longer furnish a grid for the asymmetric operation of power. ‘Race abolitionism’ expands into a similar formula — that the struggle must continue until currently racialized characteristics are no more a basis of discrimination than than the color of one’s eyes.
  18. idrisynstorey said: @hadeantaiga and I truly feel “Towards An Insurrectionary Transfeminism” by anon, the “Xenofeminist Manifesto” by the Laboria Cuboniks collective, and “Gender Nihilism” by Alyson Escalante are important contributions to trans gender abolitionist thought, too important to be dismissed and slandered as merely TERFy. Those trans authors deserve better.
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  24. idrisynstorey said: @hadeantaiga Cool, that’s great for you. For other trans folks, gender abolition is an important concept for our liberation. It doesn’t need to be “reclaimed” because it was never TERF’s to begin with, rather a lot of us can’t simply cede a term with trans thought and history behind it to the folks who want us dead. So don’t use the term if you don’t care for it, but understand trans people still using it aren’t any less aware or less threatened by TERF ideology than you.
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  27. hadeantaiga said: @idrisstorey I am not representing it as anything other than how it represents itself. The image is already tarnished, the term already appropriated by horrible people. I have no desire to “reclaim” it from the terfs and the GCs. They hate me, they want me dead. They can have whatever terms they want, I will make one that better aligns with my goals of not being exterminated.
  28. idrisynstorey said: Gender liberation is a fine term and a fine goal, I just don’t think there’s any need to misrepresent and villainize gender abolition or the trans people who find *that* term liberating (gender as a concept isn’t universally liberating, ask any colonized culture!). TERFs have done enough damage there, we don’t need to add to misinformation.
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  33. idrisynstorey said: @hadeantaiga I think a lot of people hear “abolish gender” and think “they want to take my gender away from me” in a similar way people sometimes hear “abolish capitalism” and think “they want to take away all the good things I worked so hard for”. No! Abolition means wanting you to have even more good things without having to work so hard. Re: gender it means wanting people to be women or men or neither or both without any of those concepts being tied to patriarchy/colonialism/white supremacy.
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  36. idrisynstorey said: Like it’s totally fine to coin a new term while the TERFs aren’t looking (they’ll probably come for it eventually anyways but whatever), I just think a lot of this debate is coming down to word choice and misunderstanding rather than the actual concepts described.
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  38. idrisynstorey said: @hadeantaiga But as already stated, what you describe as gender libertarian is already what is described in gender abolition. And you seem to be equating gender abolition with gender crit/anti-gender, which it isn’t any more than feminism is *essentially* transphobic.
  39. idrisynstorey said: Also… the way people talk fearfully about gender abolitionists coming out of the shadows to personally take gender away from individuals… like how exactly is that supposed to work?? Gender abolition is utopian, it’s focused on a cultural and societal scale. No one is going to steal your gender from you.
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  42. hadeantaiga said: @idrisstorey Yes, we do need to distinguish between them, which is why I coined “gender liberation”. That was the whole point of me doing so.
  43. idrisynstorey said: We need to distinguish between gender abolition, and “gender critical” and other right-wing “anti-gender” movements. They aren’t remotely the same even though they have been frequently blurred because of semantic similarities.
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  46. idrisynstorey said: @hadeantaiga I could be mistaken but I think a lot of different concepts are getting conflated and flattened here. It’s true that “gender abolition” as a term has been appropriated by TERFs, but I mean so has Feminism itself and we’re not going to write of all the feminisms because the TERFs have labeled their white supremacist transphobia as such. My understanding is that gender abolition has it’s roots in postgenderist philosophy which has been influenced at least in part by trans thinkers.
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    "Abolish gender!"...NO....liberate gender