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  11. cotestuck said: I was really trying to avoid confusing the issue and apparently did not succeed. With your advice in mind, I have updated it and am interested in your oppinion. I will send you the link if you are interested. If not, thank you for pointing out that it needed editing anyway.
  12. cotestuck said: Because takung care of them is what keeps their population down successfully. It isn’t a perfect system, but it is better than not only doing nothing, but actively releasing strays onto the street, which is what wildlife rehabs constantly to to pigeons, which are, let me point out one more time, not wildlife. I will also aknowledge that you made some really good points about me confusing the issue.
  13. cotestuck said: All of which stem from the one difference that was the entire point. Stray dogs are only less neumerous than stray pigeons because people know dogs are domesticated. Because of that, there are animal shelters set up for dogs, people paid to round them up off the street, an entire industry built around getting them fixed and adopted.
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  15. 50ap said: You yourself counted up enough differences to prove my point. Enough for now.
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  34. cotestuck said: Or is it pointing out the number of parsllels between dogs and pigeons?
  35. cotestuck said: What is so offensive or distressing about pointing out that they are not wild life, discussing their domestication history, and pointing out that meeting their needs is more effective and less expensive population contol than extermination programs?
  36. cotestuck said: When an animal is domesticated, it is wholly dependent on human care. Providing housing and food makes the population easier to control and solves every problem we have with feral pigeons a LOT more effectively and less expensively than exterminating them.
  37. cotestuck said: Stray pigeons, because they are mistaken for wildlife and their population has not been systemically controlled the way that of stray dogs is, have such a staggering overpopulation that it is damn near insurmountable as is. The German research project provided one that could work very well, and actually bring the feral population down to a manageable enough level that stray pigeons could be adopted like stray dogs are.
  38. cotestuck said: Taking care of them, by which I mean getting them off the street, vetted, and fixed and rehomed is what decreases a population of stray dogs.
  39. cotestuck said: Stray dogs don’t wind up in wildlife rehabs at all. There are not programs to exterminate stray dogs. Every one knows they are pets. There are pet shelters for them that treat them as such.
  40. cotestuck said: The issue I’m pointing out is a systemic one of pigeons being regularly mistaken for and treated like wildlife. The only reason dogs don’t have anywhere near such an overwhelming stray population is because the fact that dogs are not wild animals is known. Stray dogs are not released into the street or park or parking lot by wildlife rehabs. Stray Pigeons are.
  41. 50ap said: Sure, there are always some exceptions, but you yourself said it in the last part right here. Stray Dogs AREN’T in the same situation as pigeons. There is a huge timegap. You have to handle both situations >differently<!!! You can make aware of these exceptions, but don’t mix it up with the common situation they’re in. You’re blurring lines there.
  42. cotestuck said: I draw the paralell to dogs because if that were done to stray puppies for the last 50 years, and that knee jerk reaction to take in or network on the behalf of stray dogs were not there, we’d be up to our eye in a plague of stray dogs too.
  43. cotestuck said: Pigeon breeders don’t directly put pigeons on the street. Neither do dog breeders. But wildlife rehabs, opperating on yhe assumption that pigeons are wildlife and not domestic, DO. CONSTANTLY.
  44. cotestuck said: The only real difference between stray dogs and feral pigeons is people’s knee jerk reaction to do something about a group of stray dogs that is long standing, all pervasive, and not applied to stray pigeons mostly because people mistakenly think they are wild animals. There is a reason I draw attention to the parallels I do.
  45. cotestuck said: That is not true. Performance breeders like Racers and rollers always tell new people to “let the toss do your culling for you.” Birds that don’t always make it home from a toss, and since most tosses are a group, there are often enough birds that can’t make it home to settle an unfamilar area. And in places where there are is no animal control (I live on the edge of one), there *are* successfully reproductive stray dog packs.
  46. 50ap said: …where as dogs are put on the street on a daily basis…. It’s a different situation right now. You can’t handle it the same, can’t look at it the same, only because they have a similar origin story.
  47. 50ap said: A simple “humans are in fault, pigeons are by no means wild, but have been forcibly bewildered” would be a “tl;dr:” without all that romanticing. AAANNDDD even though Pigeons and Dogs living as “urban animals” have a similar origin, but stray dogs are unlikely to reproduce that much AND are unlikely to survive as much of generations as the pigeons did. Looking at that with and keeping in mind that nowadays no pigeon breeder let’s them into the “freedom of the city”, …
  48. cotestuck said: Swapping the real eggs for fakes kept them from spooking off and laying some place the eggs couldn’t be found. The whole point is that their feces aren’t corrosive when they are fed, and if they are all in one place, the entire population can be successfully hatch controled. We changed pigeons and put them here. Take care of them, and every ones problems with them go away.
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